How do you explain that you vanish 3 coins, but the stack in the dollar/cylinder after the first reveal has 4 coins in it?

This is explained in the tutorial by Josh

In your video from the 59th second on.... For 3 seconds you go under the table with your right hand and a banknote???? You replace the banknote with a glass of whiskey, very obviously....3 coins disappear, in the end there are 4 left???? This is not for a demanding audience, who, for example, would have to pay an entrance fee for this performance...

Sorry I don’t follow your question?

It seems that you start with three coins, they vanish but the stack under the ring has four coins. Is this a discrepancy that is supposed to go unnoticed?

Joshua explains the reason on the instructions but it does not get noticed.

Hi! Although the trick is good, I am only interested in the triad coins. If I buy this, will I learn how to perform the triad coins well? And is it possible to perform triad coins close up in a very quiet environment, or will the spectator hear something from the coins then? And is there a reason why, even though this includes Morgan triad coins, it is still a lot cheaper than the separate (and sold-out) Morgan triad coins? And the triad coins can be performed for walk-around, right?

You will learn the basics of Triad coins in the instructional video. We wouldn’t recommend using the set that is provided in a quiet environment but if there is background noise, you’ll be fine.

What if you dont wear a watch, is there another way taught to vanish the coins or any ideas given for those who dont wear watches?

You can use any other coin vanish for that point in the routine but the only one taught is the one shown.

Is there a huge difference between the Triad Coins that come with this effect and the triad coins sold separately? I mainly ask because of the price of both items.

Yes, they are replica Morgan silver dollars, so are much larger. The price difference is because you get a LOT more with this aside from the Triad Coins.

are the finger rings supposed to come with the kit?

Indeed they are. If yours are missing, please email our Support Wizards on magic@vanishingincmagic.com and they'll take care of you.

A question about the triad coins. I've purchased this and am wondering if adding teflon tape would work for these coins? When I do a french drop its the only really noisy part. I wanted to know if adding teflon tape would take the noise down and also if it would work for this set with out making everything "stick out" too much. I see I can get a pack of teflon tape for dollar size coins but dont want to waste $10 if it wont work. Thanks!

You could use the tape. It will cause any coin/shell not to aline as well though. In Joshes routine, I do not believe there is any requirement for a French drop though so you shouldn't need it!

Cylinder and Coins

Name: Cylinder and Coins
Brand: Joshua Jay
SKU: 23145
Price: 133.00 GBP
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Rating: 4.9 (31 reviews)

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Cylinder and Coins

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Joshua Jay has rebuilt one of the greatest close up magic tricks of the last century from the ground up to be more organic and entertaining than ever. A classic of magic has been reborn for a modern audience.

John Ramsay’s classic coin trick “Cylinder and Coins” is one of the most important magic tricks ever created. Like the Cups and Balls or an Ace Assembly, it is a rite of passage that all serious magicians must tackle at some point. Offering so many moments of genuine surprise, it is everything that is great about close up magic.

However, unlike other classics of magic, it is rarely performed by the current crop of magicians. That changes today.

While Joshua Jay’s “Cylinder and Coins” keeps the same basic idea as the original, nearly everything else has been changed. This includes many of the props and the addition of a stunning kicker ending that gives the routine a more complete conclusion. We don’t want to spoil anything. So, check out the full performance in the trailer above before continuing and you’ll see what we mean.

Everything You Need to Know about Joshua Jay’s “Cylinder and Coins”

Joshua’s routine has been in development for more than ten years, and it’s one of his most heralded sequences. He has performed it on national television in the United States and abroad, and it has been exclusively in his repertoire, unpublished…until now.

The Handling

There are many structural changes to the original routine. Joshua has reduced the standard use of four coins down to three as it helps the trick be less repetitive and eliminates many handling issues. The wand has also been eliminated as it’s not a prop often found in today’s magic acts.

The Props

Speaking of unfamiliar objects, this effect typically used a leather cylinder which, to most audiences, looked like a magic prop. For this version, a rolled-up dollar bill is used instead. It feels far more organic and innocent. You don’t have to use an American bill either as you receive the necessary gimmicks to quickly transform any bill into your “cylinder”.

John Ramsay’s classic routine also had a piece of cork transpose with the coins. This out-of-place prop often needed extra explanation. In this version, Joshua uses a finger ring. An object that is recognizable and identifiable without ever having to say a word, and is easier to manipulate.

The Gimmicks

This routine also introduces the magic community to a brand-new version of “Triad Coins” that helps make the vanishes easier and more effective than ever. For the first time, we’re including dollar sized “Triad Coins” constructed of replica Morgan Dollars. They are a stunning prop and the perfect size for performing “Cylinder and Coins”.

Those familiar with the original “Cylinder and Coins” effect will be happy to learn that the stack of coins in this version is not “static”. You receive a special something that adds a fairness to the routine never seen before. You can interact with the spread and even lift a coin off.

With this precision-crafted professional “Cylinder and Coins” kit, you’ll get everything you need to insert this showstopping new routine into your set. The one-of-a-kind stack of coins, the first-ever official “Triad Coins” dollar set, gimmicks for your bill, the finger rings, and the very special something for the end of the routine, are all included. The props are of the highest quality.

Get ready to unlock the secrets to one of the greatest close up magic tricks of all time: “Cylinder and Coins”.

IMPORTANT: Since filming the trailer, we had to change how this product is shipped. The shot glass no longer comes pre-fllled. But it is a very simple task that takes just a few seconds to do.

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Customer reviews for Cylinder and Coins

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David

I like the approach Jos put to this. Looking forward to performing it.

Andrew

This is a great kit! It's nice to see the classics like this revisited, and Joshua's thoughts and revisions are worth considering, even if you don't plan to implement them. The details are all nicely covered and you’re given a lot to work with, should you plan to customize the routine to better fit your performance style. Highly recommended, especially for all you get with this!

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Yul

I am very pleased with my purchase. The gaffs are great; they can be used for other routines! The instructions are simple and the routine itself is not knuckle busting; the gaffs pretty much do the hard work, you just have to know how to hold them. This is a definite must have for a parlor trick involving coins.

Walter

I will actually call this a 4.5-star review, per explanation below.
Joshua Jay is a SUPERB teacher of his tricks! He gives you reasons, results, methods, and ideas to build from. His video presentations explaining his routines are always enjoyable and precisely informative, and Cylinder & Coins is no different. Great job!
The props included are of exceptional quality (except the shot glass, which I would describe as good enough). Although much of the expense is understandably for the sharing of these outstanding methods, representing much work over years by Joshua, you'll know with this purchase that you have bought some serious props. Three things are omitted--one of these is currency, one is essential for the instructed coin vanish (and it's a common item you probably already have), and one is an optional prop for which Vanishing Inc Magic remarkably included a 3D Printer instruction file--that makes this a VERY comprehensive and thoughtful package.
I haven't done much coin work, so I will be practicing with the VERY HIGH QUALITY coin set provided. The video instructions from Joshua make this look achievable for even me (someone who lacks exceptional manual dexterity).
All of that sounds like a 5-star review, and so it would be. The half-star would be deducted for this reason: Angles are limited for performing this trick. Vanishing Inc Magic makes no claims to the contrary, of course, so it's not a let-down; it's just a limitation. Not only are side-to-side angles limited, but vertical angles are also limited. That means the height of your table will matter. This is made obvious in the explanation video, although it is not mentioned. You can see what should not be seen, because the camera is higher (relative to the table) than the true illusion allows.

Douglas

Joshua Jay Does It Again! Amazing craftsmanship, delivery and creative genius. Highly recommended!
Doug C.

John

Watered down coffee works well without the need for dye.

David

Overall I really like the thinking behind this routine, in my mind or opinion this is a very excellant piece of magic. I especically like the whole idea of using three coins instead of four. I have Geoff Latta's book the long goodbye and I also tried John Carney's routine streamlined cylinder and coins. In the Latta book a very nice routine is described, but I was never sure how I would obtain the nessesary props. I also emailed, Todd Lassen a few times to see about getting the props made; however I never heard back from him. So, I'm very grateful that this routine was shared. I believe that there are ingenius thoughts that went into the routine that I've never seen before. I was fooled by the shot glass of liquor and very surprised by it, thank you I like to be fooled. A very wonderful routine!

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Arthur

This routine is absolutely sensational. High marks to Joshua for his unique approach to this classic. I have a number of versions of this effect made by some of the finest coin makers. I have used Ramsay's routine as well as John Carney's. This routine is beautiful and easy to accomplish using the materials given. Best part is that you can use all of it or some of it. Worth every penny.

Louis

Just got mine and watched the video oh boy i love it

Andrew

The routine itself is a 5 out of 5. Cylinder and Coins is fantastic and it's one of my favorite coin effects. Josh closed his lecture with it about 10 years ago and it blew my mind.

You do receive everything you need, however it does not come ready to go as stated in the description; at least not Josh's routine. You will need to do a bit of arts and crafts with a few dollar bills along with some included, and not included, material. Also, according to the instructional video and the Q&A section, you are told one of the two included shot glasses will be full and ready to go. Again, no. Both of mine were empty. I happened to have some of the needed material on hand, so no big deal.

Regarding the stack of coins: The top removable coin has an audible rattle. Not really a big deal. Ambient sound will solve this, and it's not like you're going to be vigorously shaking this coin around for your spectators. Another thing about this coin is that due to the nature of its construction, there is a recess around the circumference giving it somewhat of a sharp edge. This means it's a bit awkward tying to lift it off the stack; it tends to get caught/stuck when lifting it off the stack no matter your finger placement or how gentle you are. Hopefully this edge will ware down over time?

Lastly: My coin stack fell apart when taking it out of the packaging. I don't mean the top removeable coin; I mean the actual Ramsay coin stack. This is not as bad as it sounds as the stack is held together by a readily available material (not included). So it's kind of "supposed" to come apart in a sense. I only bring it up because having your brand new prop fall apart is a discerning image after spending a good amount of money on it.

The Triad coin is great. It's much deeper and handles better than the original Triad.

I'm torn on this product overall. As I said, I absolutely LOVE this routine, but all of those little things added up after spending $175 is a bit annoying. The description made it very clear that it's "ready to go". On the other hand, in order to collect all the gimmicks and props for the original Ramsay routine, you're going to be several hundred dollars in the hole. So there's a lot of pros and cons here. Maybe the set I received is a fluke. Maybe other buyers received a full shot glass, a silent coin, and a solid stack. At the end of the day, you'll be able to do Josh's beautiful routine after purchasing this set.

Stuart

This is just ……well everything you would expect from Josh - phenomenal!
The quality of the product is fantastic and the tutorial nothing short of genius.
Well thought out, considered, captivating.
As ever with Vanishing Inc, pure class.

Malcolm

Been playing with this for a couple of weeks now and absolutely love it! I’ve never been a fan of the original Ramsey props and this solves my issue. Everything is natural looking and non magic proppy. ( made up word ).

The handling looks like real magic and every move is well thought out. The props are top notch and made to last.

I can’t wait to add this to the close up section of my cruise ship show. I’m a pretty good judge of what plays well and know this will be a winner!

Stephen

This is a refreshing take on a classic trick and also opens it up to a wider audience. I suffer from hyperhidrosis, or excessively sweaty palms. While this makes me better with cards in some cases, coins have been out of my reach my entire 22 years of doing magic. This set has opened the doors for me to finally do a trick that had been beyond me for far too long. The gimmicks are a huge improvement from the originals. Yes there is a small discrepancy between 3 and 4 but in 100 performances already no layperson has noticed.

Gale

Excellent instructions. Easy to adapt presentation. For example, I'm not tall or slim or handsome, so standing while performing and taking bows to ditch & retrieve coins not a good look for someone short, fat & ugly. Hence, I remain seated and ditch & retrieve coins via sleights. Eliminated the finger ring bit entirely. Works for me and the highly polished look of the coins is a real crowd pleaser.

Murray

Lovely ... in every aspect: thinking; performance; explanation; quality and sincerity

Larry

I have been doing coin work for more than 50 years now, including several variations on the classic Ramsay Coin Cylinder routine. Jay's version is not only a great innovation on the original concept, but the gaffs provided are very good quality, and since they are made from "replica" Morgans, they much less expensive than getting a custom set made from real Morgans (I know, because over the years I have invested in some!). The removal of the traditional leather or rubber cylinder from the routine, and replacing it with a rolled dollar bill is also an excellent update and keeps the performer from having to explain the introduction of an "unusual" object into the routine. Likewise, the use of a finger ring in place of the traditional slice of a wine bottle cork is another great update. It is a LOT easier to simply use the ring on your finger than to explain why you have the slice of cork in play. Finally, the handling taught also eliminates another archaic prop from the routine...Traditionally a wand or pencil is used to show the cylinder empty but by using the dollar bill cylinder, this is unnecessary.

While the boxed set is relatively high priced for a beginner or hobbyist, the gaffs provided, plus the excellent handling and updated presentation taught by Jay in the videos make this an ideal way to learn to perform a true classic of coin magic. Everything needed is provided, with the exception of the bill (some assembly required, but not much), and the instructional videos are excellent. In my opinion, the value of what's in the box far outweighs the price.

Very well done, Jay!

Carlos

5 starts,very practical and wondeful idea

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David

A wonderful deconstruction of the inner workings and analysis for creating a surreal performance alternate handling of Ramsey's timeless effect. Well done!

Tom

I was reluctant to purchase this item because I already have a cylinder purchased years ago from another magic dealer and coins that allowed me to perform the effect BUT I wanted to give it another go and I am satisfied with the product I have received- the triad coins are better than I thought they would be based on some reviews - the stack with the extra coin is terrific and I prefer using the ring instead of cork - the shot glass puts it over the top and now I have a cylinder and coin routine I can perform and feel good with my props - it is expensive but I believe it is worth it - and of course you get Josh and his excellent teaching.

Kevin

Really good explanation for the Cylinder and Coins from Joshua!

Mark

Great for someone that wants to do this classic. Fairly simple to do and it's modular so you can easily use what you like.

David

I was a bit apprehensive to order as I’m not a fan of the regular triad set but ordered anyway. Wow massive upgrade to the quality of the triad coins! My old set, the half dollar ones, are noisy and wobbly when all together. I never bothered to use them honestly due to those factors. With this set both issues are non existent. ?? All props are A+!!! Stellar job guys!

Russel

Fantastic!!!

Steven

I am enjoying the props, the supporting video very much. More importantly, I am enjoying being part of the thought process. I shall use some of it but not all. I spent an hour and a half watching Tim Conover hone his presentation of this classic an age ago after a convention in Washington, DC. Now with these beautiful props I can start my own journey. Thank you Josh.

John

Great, easy and simple ????

Manuel

The gimmicks are fun and very lovingly made and the taught routine is convincing and can easily fit with your style with just a few minor adjustments

Guillermo

Cylinder is fascinating. The routine and ideas show an extraordinary attention to detail, practicality, and artistic subtlety. Joshua’s routine is quick, and that is great! I will incorporate several modifications to suit my performance preferences but it will take some practice and performances to gauge audience feedback. The routine and set are great, but I am privy to the leather cylinder and purchased the brown one from Vanishing (it’s really beautiful)! Time to start the brainstorming, routining, scripting, and practicing now. Buy Cylinder! It is a beautiful set and routine- create your own! Cylinder is a wonderful new approach to Ramsey’s Cylinder and Coins! The props are very cool and practical.

Brennan

I love this effect. I do not perform it as taught anymore but the props included are fantastic. I use them frequently and have no issues with them.

Guy

I love Joshua's take on this classic! This version is certainly more attainable for me as I have nerve damage in a hand and VI's kit makes all of the 'finger flinging' attainable, even for an old fumble fingers like me! ThnQ Josh!

Fahad

I purchased this beautiful trick a while back, and overall I love the routine. The packaging of course is durable and suitable for storing the props, something I really like from Vanishing Inc.As for the routine, I did make minor adjustments to it to suit my personality such as the coin vanishes, and whether I show the shot glass in the end or not. Another example is the ring provided which I wear on my pinky finger since I have quite large hands but I am able to adjust the routine accordingly. Sometimes I feel like I do not need the rings and just use corks like the John Ramsay routine.The props are made to perfection, from the coins and accompanying gaffs, the stack of coins, and the shot glasses.Although Josh performs the routine with music, he does mention that it is not necessary. Even if the coins and gaffs "talk" while performing, it is a natural noise to hear; the routine is not ruined if they talk. Vanishing the last coin however will have to be silent!Overall the quality of the video is great, the instructions are detailed and thorough, with alternative suggestions for the phases of the routine.This would be a great addition to anyone's repertoire, especially those performing in parlour or close up performances (not walk arounds). In fact, I would recommend this routine in a competition as well.

Trevor

Joshua Jays teaching style is easy to understand and makes the where, how and whys obvious, he brought everything together and streamlined it for an incredible mystery. Worth every penny.

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David asks: How do you explain that you vanish 3 coins, but the stack in the dollar/cylinder after the first reveal has 4 coins in it?
- 1. Vanishing Inc. Magic responds:This is explained in the tutorial by Josh
Boris asks: In your video from the 59th second on.... For 3 seconds you go under the table with your right hand and a banknote???? You replace the banknote with a glass of whiskey, very obviously....3 coins disappear, in the end there are 4 left???? This is not for a demanding audience, who, for example, would have to pay an entrance fee for this performance...
- 1. Vanishing Inc. Magic responds:Sorry I don’t follow your question?
Charles asks: It seems that you start with three coins, they vanish but the stack under the ring has four coins. Is this a discrepancy that is supposed to go unnoticed?
- 1. Vanishing Inc. Magic responds:Joshua explains the reason on the instructions but it does not get noticed.
Lucas asks: Hi! Although the trick is good, I am only interested in the triad coins. If I buy this, will I learn how to perform the triad coins well? And is it possible to perform triad coins close up in a very quiet environment, or will the spectator hear something from the coins then? And is there a reason why, even though this includes Morgan triad coins, it is still a lot cheaper than the separate (and sold-out) Morgan triad coins? And the triad coins can be performed for walk-around, right?
- 1. Vanishing Inc. Magic responds:You will learn the basics of Triad coins in the instructional video. We wouldn’t recommend using the set that is provided in a quiet environment but if there is background noise, you’ll be fine.
Allen asks: What if you dont wear a watch, is there another way taught to vanish the coins or any ideas given for those who dont wear watches?
- 1. Vanishing Inc. Magic responds:You can use any other coin vanish for that point in the routine but the only one taught is the one shown.
Wilder asks: Is there a huge difference between the Triad Coins that come with this effect and the triad coins sold separately? I mainly ask because of the price of both items.
- 1. Vanishing Inc. Magic responds:Yes, they are replica Morgan silver dollars, so are much larger. The price difference is because you get a LOT more with this aside from the Triad Coins.
Nathan asks: What are the replica Morgan coins made out of? Are they brass with silver plating copper with silver plating or are they white copper/cupranickel?
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Morris asks: are the finger rings supposed to come with the kit?
- 1. Vanishing Inc. Magic responds:Indeed they are. If yours are missing, please email our Support Wizards on magic@vanishingincmagic.com and they'll take care of you.
Neal asks: This is a fabulous effect, and a terrific looking version! What would you imagine being the maximum audience size without the aid of video support?
- 1. Vanishing Inc. Magic responds:Probably 40-50 people.
David asks: A question about the triad coins. I've purchased this and am wondering if adding teflon tape would work for these coins? When I do a french drop its the only really noisy part. I wanted to know if adding teflon tape would take the noise down and also if it would work for this set with out making everything "stick out" too much. I see I can get a pack of teflon tape for dollar size coins but dont want to waste $10 if it wont work. Thanks!
- 1. Vanishing Inc. Magic responds:You could use the tape. It will cause any coin/shell not to aline as well though. In Joshes routine, I do not believe there is any requirement for a French drop though so you shouldn't need it!

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